[wix-users] Need Advise on Upgrade

Fri Jan 21 12:06:31 PST 2022

It occurs to me that all other things being equal...

The bundle could be setting public properties that are not set when you
install the unbundled MSI. You may need to check those to make sure
everything is actually equal between both methods.

--
Edwin G. Castro

On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 12:02 PM Edwin Castro <egcastr at gmail.com> wrote:

> That depends on whether you are doing a major upgrade and when you
> schedule RemoveExistingProducts. Assuming your new unbundled MSI is really,
> just like the bundled one but with a newer ProductVersion and different
> ProductCode, then I'd expect the same behavior regardless of whether the
> msi was bundled or not.
>
> --
> Edwin G. Castro
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 11:47 AM Ven H <venh.123 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks a lot Edwin for the explanation. However, what I observed was when
>> I was installing/upgrading the new unbundled MSIs, some files were missing
>> after installing/upgrading with the new unbundled MSIs. Do I need to
>> increment the versions of the files (in case of dlls / exes) or change
>> their binaries every time I want to upgrade, to ensure all files get
>> installed?
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 22, 2022 at 12:35 AM Edwin Castro <egcastr at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Your new unbundled MSIs should upgrade the MSIs bundled in your
>>> bootstrapper. I expect that to work normally. Your old bootstrapper will
>>> still be "installed" and you'll need to tell it to uninstall itself to
>>> unregister itself. When you do that it will uninstall any bundled MSIs that
>>> are still installed so you'll want to be careful.
>>>
>>> Suppose you have a bundle B that includes MSIs A and C. If you upgrade
>>> MSI A to MSI A1 but do not also upgrade C to a newer version, then B will
>>> be installed/registered and C will be installed but MSI A will no longer be
>>> installed as A1 removed A during upgrade. If you uninstall bundle B now,
>>> then it will leave MSI A1 installed but will uninstall MSI C. To avoid that
>>> you'd need to also upgrade MSI C to a newer version. And no matter how you
>>> go about it, something will need to uninstall bundle B after you've
>>> upgraded all the new separate MSI.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Edwin G. Castro
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 10:20 AM Ven H via wix-users <
>>> wix-users at lists.wixtoolset.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Jim. The bootstrapper will have its own Upgrade and also the MSIs
>>>> within them will have their own upgrade code. So, when I try to upgrade
>>>> the
>>>> Bootstrapper using the individual MSIs, technically it should be
>>>> treated as
>>>> an Upgrade itself, right?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 8:23 PM Coryat, Jim via wix-users <
>>>> wix-users at lists.wixtoolset.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > My experience is that you want to target the Upgrade code since that
>>>> > should be consistent between versions. Also, I have seen the
>>>> bootstrapper
>>>> > have a separate ARP entry than that of the actual msi files within the
>>>> > bootstrapper which made it very confusing.  The msi files would have
>>>> that
>>>> > upgrade code within them which would make them a valid target for a
>>>> > isolated installer (as long as it contained that upgrade code).  We
>>>> ended
>>>> > up replacing the bootstrapper with a pure Wix installer that does not
>>>> rely
>>>> > on .NET so we can make the .NET framework a component of the install
>>>> > instead of a prerequisite which necessitated the use of the
>>>> bootstrapper.
>>>> > Hope this helps.
>>>> >
>>>> > Again, nothing beats creating a test environment and experimenting. 😊
>>>> >
>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>> > From: wix-users <wix-users-bounces at lists.wixtoolset.org> On Behalf
>>>> Of Ven
>>>> > H via wix-users
>>>> > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 6:38 AM
>>>> > To: WiX Toolset Users Mailing List <wix-users at lists.wixtoolset.org>
>>>> > Cc: Ven H <venh.123 at gmail.com>
>>>> > Subject: [wix-users] Need Advise on Upgrade
>>>> >
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>>>> >
>>>> > We have existing Bootstrapper installers (exe) which bundle
>>>> Prerequisites
>>>> > and custom MSIs. These MSIs handle a lot of functionality like Files,
>>>> > Windows Service Management, IIS Management, Database management etc.
>>>> Now,
>>>> > we are planning to break these Bootstrapper installers and separate
>>>> out
>>>> > functionality. But there are many customers who have these
>>>> bootstrappers
>>>> > installed. Now, when we try to upgrade their system with the separate
>>>> MSIs,
>>>> > will it work?
>>>> >
>>>> > Bootstrapper has it's own Product & Upgrade code and so also the MSIs.
>>>> > Also, for majority of the components, the Guid is auto generated. So,
>>>> on
>>>> > systems which are installed with the bootstrapper, can I upgrade them
>>>> with
>>>> > the separate MSIs? I tried once and observed that the files installed
>>>> by
>>>> > bootstrapper seem to be getting removed. Please advise.
>>>> >
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