[wix-users] [WiX-users] Checking for Product A before installing Product B

Swatantra Yadav swatantra.yadav at skykick.com
Tue May 7 10:51:10 PDT 2019 

Thanks Edwin. I am not going to worry about restart. I agree it is best to let the machine restart after the installer is done. In any case for my application this is uncommon scenario to have to uninstall the other product. It is asking for restart only when it had to uninstall the other product. It does not ask for restart if it installed without first having to uninstall the other product.

Thanks,
Swatantra

From: Edwin Castro <egcastr at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 11:46 AM
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Cc: Swatantra Yadav <swatantra.yadav at skykick.com>
Subject: Re: [wix-users] Checking for Product A before installing Product B

Restarts are done because they're needed. I always recommend a restart occur when the Windows Installer thinks a restart is necessary.

I expect you're asking about avoiding restarts because you're deploying to server environments. If that is the case, then I would advise that upgrades occur when a server restart can occur if needed.

Delaying restarts can work occasionally if you need to install/upgrade a number of products that have been shown to install/upgrade correctly while delaying the restart until the end of the group install/upgrade process. If these things are under your control, then I'd highly recommend a bundle of bundles to manage it. If the group of products are not under your control, then I'd advise caution and a lot of manual testing to determine on case-by-case basis if a restart can be delayed in that particular context.

You're best approach will ALWAYS be to let it restart when it thinks it needs a restart.

If you've determined that a restart can be delayed without issues, then passing the /norestart argument to your bundle should cause it to terminate without initiating the restart. The bundle will return 3010 (I believe) indicating a restart is needed. The bundle will return 1641 if it initiated a reboot.

NOTE: You MUST still reboot when using /norestart if the bundle returns 3010. The /norestart argument does NOT mean that restarts are not needed. It means that any required restarts were not done by the bundle and MUST be done by the system administrator at a future date (really as soon as possible).

Delaying restarts are DANGEROUS because quite often they are simply forgotten.

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On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 11:31 AM Swatantra Yadav via wix-users <wix-users at lists.wixtoolset.org<mailto:wix-users at lists.wixtoolset.org>> wrote:
Thanks Rob and Blair! These guidelines will be useful when I am working on the next version of product.

The issue of common files getting deleted has been fixed by changing the upgrade schedule from Schedule="afterInstallExecute" to "afterInstallInitialize". I noticed the files got deleted at the very end of install so scheduling RemoveExistingProducts at the InitializeInstall allows the common files to be removed first but then get added back as part of install of product b..

It does not look like there is a way to avoid Restart after upgrade?

Thanks,
Swatantra

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Subject: Re: [wix-users] Checking for Product A before installing Product B

You might find this interesting: http://robmensching.com/blog/posts/2003/10/18/component-rules-101/

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Subject: Re: [wix-users] Checking for Product A before installing Product B

The components containing shared resources must have the same component IDs. The best way to do that is to let WiX autogenerate the component IDs which IIRC forces you to have one file per component (if not it should in my not so humble opinion).

It's almost never recommended to ever let two files share a component.

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Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 4:27:26 PM
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Subject: RE: [wix-users] Checking for Product A before installing Product B

Just found another problem -

Common files such as Newtonsoft.Json.dll that should be present for both products are not present after Product B finishes uninstalling Product A, even though Product B also needs it. This does not happen for any dell that is unique to one of the products.

Can this be avoided if I separate each file in its own component? Currently I have all files in a single component.

Thanks,
Swat



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Subject: Re: [wix-users] Checking for Product A before installing Product B

Thanks Blair and others. This is working fine for me (Product A uninstalls Product B and vice versa using Upgrade element). I have a few more questions.


  1.  How can I avoid a machine restart? Both these products are shipped as Bootstrapper bundles (exe files) and not as Msi. So basically I am looking for equivalent of msiexec REBOOT=REALLYSUPPRESS  in Bundle > Chain > MsiPackage. Windows shows a machine restart is required dialog after Product B's installer removes Product A.
  2.  Can I remove the Bootstrapper instead of individual msi using Upgrade element? The bootstrappers have their own upgrade codes. When I put the UpgradeCode of Bootstrapper in Upgrade element it does not get removed.

Thanks,
Swatantra


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Subject: Re: [wix-users] Checking for Product A before installing Product B

Although the MajorUpgrade element implements a standard usage of the Upgrade element (along with some others) you can use both side by side if you follow a couple simple rules:
The MajorUpgrade element automatically used the UpgradeCode supplied to the Product element, so don't reuse that UpgradeCode with explicit Upgrade elements. Products sharing that UpgradeCode are already managed by the MajorUpgrade element.
Since the MajorUpgrade already schedules the RemoveExistingProducts action, don't explicitly author or schedule it. Any additional products you are removing with Upgrade elements will be removed along with the product(s) removed with the MajorUpgrade element.
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Subject: RE: [wix-users] Checking for Product A before installing Product B

Is there a way I can use RemoveExistingProducts without removing the MajorUpgrade element?

While Upgrade code coupled with RemoveExistingProducts does work and removes Product B, I am having to remove the MajorUpgrade element from Product A installer.

If I don't remove the MajorUpgrade element I get the following error:
Duplicate symbol 'WixAction:InstallExecuteSequence/RemoveExistingProducts' found. This typically means that an Id is duplicated. Check to make sure all your identifiers of a given type (File, Component, Feature) are unique.

I cannot remove the MajorUpgrade element. The MajorUpgrade along with a consistent UpgradeCode and a newly generated Product ID enables Product A to do a silent update to itself which is important.

Thanks,
Swat


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Subject: Re: [wix-users] Checking for Product A before installing Product B

You can also use Upgrade to find products by UpgradeCode and not remove them. Old-school, I know.

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All depends on if he wants to have the installer actually remove the other product (use Upgrade) or if he just wishes to detect it and block (then ProductSearch).

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And as Bob pointed out, ProductSearch (which I totally forgot about) is even easier.

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Yes. Upgrade elements use the respective UpgradeCode values from each product.

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Thanks you sirs!  I see the disadvantage of using Component search so will avoid using it.

Will Upgrade element work in my scenario where Product A and Product B are two completely separate applications?


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Subject: Re: [wix-users] Checking for Product A before installing Product B

Conditions and Feature selection could possibly result in Product A being installed but the Component not installed. Even if this is not possible today, it might become possible in the future and you (or a future
maintainer) will need to remember these things to ensure setup still works as required.

I'd also recommend using the Upgrade element to detect an installed product.


On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 3:11 PM Christopher Painter via wix-users < wix-users at lists.wixtoolset.org<mailto:wix-users at lists.wixtoolset.org><mailto:wix-users at lists.wixtoolset.org<mailto:wix-users at lists.wixtoolset.org>>> wrote:

> Same here.  Even the way the question is worded suggests this.   You'd
> also be able to do things like check if a certain version range of a
> product is installed in a way that checking for a component wouldn't.   It
> would also tightly couple the check and have issues if that component
> was ever removed from that product.
>
> There may also be other pitfalls of component searches that I don't
> remember anymore.
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> I'd recommend using Upgrade element.
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> Subject: Re: [wix-users] Checking for Product A before installing
> Product B
>
> The component is guaranteed to be in Product A. The code below is of
> Product B. Since I generated the Guid it is not shared by any external
> Product C.
>
> I initially wanted to use RegistrySearch to look for Product A install
> but found out for some reason the registry key does not get removed
> even if Product A has been uninstalled. So I am not using Registry
> Search. The component is getting removed on uninstall. The file is
> removed and I did not find the Guid in registry after uninstall so
> ComponentSearch seems like better option for me I think as it will
> correctly exist only if Product A is currently installed. But yes
> given a choice it would be nice to use a RegistrySearch instead.
>
> Thanks
> Swat
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