[wix-devs] Improving the Wix4 enlistment process, participating in online meetings and helping with the burn user interface accessibility

[Blair Murri]

I referred to building the toolset in my previous message.

You make a good argument that there's still a good use case for non-VS mediated "installs". Maybe the installer becomes a "NuGet client" that pulls everything down from NuGet into something similar to the structure of the old WiX installation, so non-MSFT toolsets can access it command-line style.

Or, maybe something else entirely.

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From: Blair Murri <osito at live.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 9:43:59 PM
To: 'Rob Mensching'; WiX Toolset Developer Mailing List; Christopher Painter
Subject: Re: [wix-devs] Improving the Wix4 enlistment process, participating in online meetings and helping with the burn user interface accessibility

Run msbuild on the solution file I described above

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From: Christopher Painter <chrpai at iswix.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 3:42:11 PM
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Subject: Re: [wix-devs] Improving the Wix4 enlistment process, participating in online meetings and helping with the burn user interface accessibility


Help me understand how this would work for people who don't use Visual Studio at all?   I totally love Visual Studio / Votive / WiX and so on but I've worked with customers / employers over the years that didn't use VS at all.   How would they use WiX?


It seems very strange to me the product that creates MSIs won't actually have an MSI.  That just feels wrong to me.


How would the VS story work?   Would you just isntall VS and Votive and the projects do a nuget restore to bring everything in?    That seems less strange to me but  I'm still more of a fan for using Votive to install dependencies not tools.  New world I guess.




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Subject: Re: [wix-devs] Improving the Wix4 enlistment process, participating in online meetings and helping with the burn user interface accessibility

If you add in the various projects into a common VS solution (as the enlist script in the Home repo partially does) you can build the solution and all the parts across the repos will be referenced together. If you build the repos one by one, the nuget packages need to be added to your local cache to be found (or at least that's been my experience).

Even building a WiX installer at all is an open question at this point (there have been some discussions, and IIRC the consensus seems to be "there's no need", so it's possible that the Setup repo may eventually disappear.

It's possible that someone of the test projects create one or more bundles using WixStdBA that may be usable for accessibility testing, but my preference would be that you create new test projects that explicitly check for the presence of accessibility features (obviously talk to us if that requires adding some tool and/or library to the test project)

Thank you for tackling accessibility. That's important work.

Blair

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Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 8:12:11 PM
To: 'Rob Mensching'; 'WiX Toolset Developer Mailing List'
Cc: Sean Farrow
Subject: Re: [wix-devs] Improving the Wix4 enlistment process, participating in online meetings and helping with the burn user interface accessibility

Hi all,

I have a couple of follow-up questions regarding the bootstrapper and building WiX, so that I can create an issue and hopefully fix the accessibility issues for WiX 4's release.

Given that all projects are now separate, do I just run .net build in the directory with the solution file as I would normally? If yes, where does this put any produced NuGet packages?

Finally, what bootstrapper is used by the standard setup? If it is the managed one, are there any examples of using the unmanaged (pure c++) version?

Any help appreciated.

Kind regards
Sean.

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Subject: RE: [wix-devs] Improving the Wix4 enlistment process, participating in online meetings and helping with the burn user interface accessibility

They are announced here. Most recent announcement was from Monday:


Next WiX Online meeting will be: January 17th, 2019 @9:30 Pacific

Agenda items:

*     Triage
*     Votive for VS2019 Plan

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From: wix-devs <wix-devs-bounces at lists.wixtoolset.org> On Behalf Of Sean Farrow via wix-devs
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Subject: Re: [wix-devs] Improving the Wix4 enlistment process, participating in online meetings and helping with the burn user interface accessibility

Hi,
Thanks blair.
Is there a webpage that lists the times of meetings, or are these announced anywhere?
Kind regards
Sean.

From: Blair Murri <osito at live.com>
Sent: 16 January 2019 18:18
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Subject: Re: [wix-devs] Improving the Wix4 enlistment process, participating in online meetings and helping with the burn user interface accessibility

1. All issues are added to the Issues "repo".
2. Skype
3. The tool that adds projects can't add non-C# projects. The projects it can't add are listed in the stdout spew as it runs. There are a couple projects it lists you may not want/need to add from that list, so you may want to check the solutions in each repo to determine which missing projects to add.
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Subject: [wix-devs] Improving the Wix4 enlistment process, participating in online meetings and helping with the burn user interface accessibility

Hi all,

I am looking to help with Wix4 development from an accessibility point of view (specifically burn) and was wondering which repos issues should be posted in?

Secondly, what software is needed to participate in the online meetings?

Finally, regarding the enlistment process, is there a reason some projects aren't added to the created solution by default for certain repos? Also, should there be an option to enlist all projects?

Kind regards
Sean.
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