[wix-devs] "Weekly" builds? Not so much.

Tue May 8 09:18:37 PDT 2018

I'm still not big on "snapshot".

"Release candidate" is definitely not what we want because we have those (hopefully very few)... just before we release.

"Preview" is interesting but Microsoft tends to use it when they have something semi-stable they want people to try out.  I guess we could argue every build is a "preview" from us until the Beta/RC/RTM builds.

I really didn't expect it to be that hard to name this.

Regards,

  Rob Mensching
  CEO
  FireGiant
_______________________________________________________________
 FireGiant  |  Dedicated support for the WiX toolset  |  http://www.firegiant.com/

-----Original Message-----
From: wix-devs <wix-devs-bounces at lists.wixtoolset.org> On Behalf Of Charles Henze via wix-devs
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2018 9:11 AM
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Cc: Charles Henze <Charles.Henze at dda.kyocera.com>
Subject: Re: [wix-devs] "Weekly" builds? Not so much.

Perhaps these options:
'preview',
'interim build',
'release candidate'

-----Original Message-----
From: wix-devs [mailto:wix-devs-bounces at lists.wixtoolset.org] On Behalf Of Rebecca Cran via wix-devs
Sent: Monday, May 7, 2018 10:10
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Cc: Rebecca Cran <rebecca at bluestop.org>
Subject: Re: [wix-devs] "Weekly" builds? Not so much.

Who needs QA in 2018? :(

FreeBSD uses the term 'snapshot' and has this to say about them:
As part of an ongoing effort to improve the overall release process before a release actually slips out the door with problems, we are now periodically producing interim test releases called snapshots. These snapshots will be very similar to full releases, except that they might not include all the bits included in a full release (such as packages and updated documentation)

Things You Might Want to Know

In particular, before getting and installing a snapshot release, be aware of following:

The snapshots are primarily for testing purposes and not fully tested compared to the releases. They may include experimental or degraded features that can corrupt your existing system.

https://www.freebsd.org/snapshots/

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> On May 7, 2018, at 11:00 AM, Bob Arnson via wix-devs <wix-devs at lists.wixtoolset.org> wrote:
> 
> It's 2018 -- is the idea of "release" so vital now?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wix-devs <wix-devs-bounces at lists.wixtoolset.org> On Behalf Of 
> Rob Mensching via wix-devs
> Sent: Monday, 7 May, 2018 12:56
> To: WiX Toolset Developer Mailing List <wix-devs at lists.wixtoolset.org>
> Cc: Rob Mensching <rob at firegiant.com>
> Subject: Re: [wix-devs] "Weekly" builds? Not so much.
> 
> Interesting. Problem is "snapshot" immediately takes me to Virtual Machines.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wix-devs <wix-devs-bounces at lists.wixtoolset.org> On Behalf Of 
> Michael Urman via wix-devs
> Sent: Monday, May 7, 2018 6:07 AM
> To: wix-devs at lists.wixtoolset.org
> Cc: Michael Urman <murman at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [wix-devs] "Weekly" builds? Not so much.
> 
> If you're just looking for a term, I've seen "snapshot" match the usage you've described. That could become "daily snapshot" or "weekly snapshot"
> with no loss of meaning.
> 
>> On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 10:39 PM Rob Mensching via wix-devs < wix-devs at lists.wixtoolset.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I agree "pre-release build" could be misconstrued. I'm not big on 
>> "development build". I haven't found many uses of it. In one case 
>> "development build" meant extra debug information is enabled (DEBUG 
>> build?). In another case I found: These development builds, often 
>> called "pre-release" builds, are what will eventually lead to the final version.
>> 
>> Which leads me back to "pre-release build". Heh.
>> 
>> Additional thoughts?
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>>  Rob Mensching
>>  CEO
>>  FireGiant
>> _______________________________________________________________
>> FireGiant  |  Dedicated support for the WiX toolset  | 
>> http://www.firegiant.com/
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: wix-devs <wix-devs-bounces at lists.wixtoolset.org> On Behalf Of 
>> Blair Murri via wix-devs
>> Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 1:12 AM
>> To: WiX Toolset Developer Mailing List 
>> <wix-devs at lists.wixtoolset.org>
>> Cc: Blair Murri <osito at live.com>
>> Subject: Re: [wix-devs] "Weekly" builds? Not so much.
>> 
>> "development builds"
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Windows 10 phone
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: wix-devs <wix-devs-bounces at lists.wixtoolset.org> on behalf of 
>> Edwin Castro via wix-devs <wix-devs at lists.wixtoolset.org>
>> Sent: Friday, May 4, 2018 2:43:52 PM
>> To: WiX Toolset Developer Mailing List
>> Cc: Edwin Castro
>> Subject: Re: [wix-devs] "Weekly" builds? Not so much.
>> 
>> I agree 'pre-release' could also be misinterpreted. Anything with the 
>> term 'release' in it will likely be misinterpreted.
>> 
>> How about something like 'development <may contain bugs or other 
>> undesirable effects> builds'? I'm only half joking ...
>> 
>> --
>> Edwin G. Castro
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 11:37 AM, Rebecca Cran via wix-devs < 
>> wix-devs at lists.wixtoolset.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> Could the term 'pre-release' be misinterpreted to mean builds that 
>>> are past beta and in the final stages before release?
>>> 
>>> Rebecca
>>> 
>>> Sent from my phone
>>> 
>>>> On May 4, 2018, at 12:24 PM, Bob Arnson via wix-devs <
>>> wix-devs at lists.wixtoolset.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> +1
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: wix-devs <wix-devs-bounces at lists.wixtoolset.org> On Behalf Of 
>>>> Rob
>>> Mensching via wix-devs
>>>> Sent: Friday, 4 May, 2018 14:16
>>>> To: WiX Toolset Developer Mailing List 
>>>> <wix-devs at lists.wixtoolset.org>
>>>> Cc: Rob Mensching <rob at firegiant.com>
>>>> Subject: [wix-devs] "Weekly" builds? Not so much.
>>>> 
>>>> So, we're clearly not rolling out weekly builds right now. Also, I
>>> dislike the term "weekly build" because it doesn't clearly state 
>>> "not for production" to everyone. So, I'm wondering if we should 
>>> change the "weekly releases" terms on the website to "pre-release 
>>> builds", or
>> something better.
>>>> 
>>>> Thoughts? Opinions? Suggestions?
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Rob Mensching
>>>> CEO
>>>> FireGiant
>>>> _______________________________________________________________
>>>> FireGiant  |  Dedicated support for the WiX toolset  |
>>> http://www.firegiant.com/